Remember when I talked about feminists who look for reasons to be offended? This is exactly what I was talking about.
It’s one thing to enjoy playing video games and happen by a scene which is genuinely fucked up (I mean chances are it was intended to be fucked up; it’s like people complaining about the violence and drug use in Far Cry games), but it’s entirely another thing to grind through something you don’t even enjoy for a demographic you evidently dislike playing content that you barely understand, removing context and information, just so you can have a reason to take offence. It’s pathetic.
Let me get this straight. she plays a game for 8 hours, looking to be offended, and is mad when she can’t find something.
Yep, you got it on point.
The problem I have with this post is that Anita is doing research when she does this. “capture a particular scene” refers to her work in Femfreq about criticizing certain tropes and whatnot.
She played a game that she didn’t enjoy for the sake of that show and for that research. I’d prefer her work to be well-researched than otherwise.
Also, unpleasant in this context can totally refer to a game that she finds issue with from a writing standpoint, or issue with from a gameplay standpoint. Without further clarification we don’t even know.
I still haven’t even gotten around to watching Femfreq, I don’t even know if I’ll agree with it. More than likely as with most videos that offer this opinion shenanigans I’ll agree and disagree throughout. But this post is criticizing her in a really dumb way considering what she does. Research, guys, I mean really. “Looking for things to be offended about” My gods.
Doing research isn’t journalistic integrity when that research is done in search of supporting a pre-conceived notion. She was playing a game she’d already decided she didn’t like just to get to a part of the game she wanted to use to bolster her point on an idea she’d already formulated.
Her entire series “Tropes vs Women,” is just a prolonged study in confirmation bias. She doesn’t even bother to explore possibilities of video games celebrating female empowerment or instances where womens’ character outshines her sex appeal or anything like that. Nope. It’s just minute after minute of cherry picking perceived sexism with a sprinkling of buzzwords throughout.
I’m afraid the criticism stands. She doesn’t even try to hide the fact that she gets no base enjoyment out of games. That she’s an outsider simply looking for things to be displeased with to further her point. She decided from the onset that video games are sexist and are somehow harmful to women…can you really call it “research” when she’s just looking for the evidence to support her conclusion, rather than looking for evidence so that she can draw a conclusion?
The elephant in the room in your argument is the word “hypothesis”. A hypothesis is when you make an idea of what will happen when you actually research or experiment with what you’re doing. “Hey I’ve experienced some really shit writing in games, let’s see how much more of that is out there.” TOTALLY a bad thing to do amirite.
Yes, a hypothesis says “I think this may/will happen.” A hypothesis doesn’t say “this is what (will) happen(s).” More on that later.
I disagree with the idea that she should feel inclined to show well written female characters in games. Let’s all have a pat on the back with ourselves guys, that’ll really do the job. Having good examples of female characters does not eliminate the fact of shit ones existing. And where her money and time should be spent is actually showing the problems instead of showing the little victories that currently exist with companies like Valve.
Are you in high school yet? The last time I wrote an essay was in my college English class when we wrote book reports and film analyses. When doing essays and reports (and let’s face it, that’s all Anita’s basically doing, except in video format) there’s a certain format that’s instituted to give your work more credibility, and it’s become routine. If you google writing an essay you’ll see some basic steps, and those are:
- define the problem
- do research
- ask questions
- define biases
- identify assumptions
- explore the evidence
- write in your journal
- look beyond the obvious
etc… Notice something? Something Anita doesn’t do. She doesn’t define her biases and identify assumptions. Yeah…in my writing classes I was always instructed to foresee any argument that could be made against me and argue sincerely from that perspective for a paragraph before addressing it. If I was arguing, say, apples are better than oranges, I would therefore list the benefits to oranges and say how they could be perceived as better than apples for a bit. This isn’t patting oranges on the back. That’s not an attempt to make the benefits of apples cease to exist, like you insist on thinking. No, it’s to entertain different perspectives to help you decide if maybe your personal biases are giving you faulty conclusions before you present your essay. If you’re confident enough that your essay hold’s enough water that it’ll stand up to criticism, then you can include your counter-argument and still defeat it within your own work…and that’s why essay writers do it.
Anita Sarkeesian doesn’t like criticism, so she doesn’t do it. She doesn’t respond to it. She uses the fact that some people wish rape and death on her to call all her critics misogynists and accuse them of harassment. Even the ones who bring up good points and present them in a civil manner (she’s done this on her twitter before, she once posted a bunch of screenshots of the “misogynist harassment she must endure.” And at least half the screenshots of were innocent criticisms of her work and her methods).
Props on getting no base enjoyment out of games Anita, your fortitude in keeping up the facade is quite a feat. Man guys I didn’t know that having issues with female portrayal and writing meant that you hated the medium.
Oh gosh, you sure got me there! A promotional picture for her series, Tropes vs Women in Video Games depicting her with a large stack of video games that she used the $160,000 from her kickstarter to buy. Many of which could’ve been purchased for as little as $5 at local flea markets or the bargain bin at Wal Mart.
I friggin’ hate summer blockbuster explosion fests, I guess I hate the medium of film because I hate parts of it.
"That she’s an outsider" I swear to fucking hell you’re trying to MAKE her an outsider with all this.
Except nobody’s making her an outsider but she herself. I didn’t declare her an outsider, I didn’t say she doesn’t get enjoyment from games because I decided this for myself…I’m taking the words she uttered out of her own mouth and using them to judge her.
Anita Sarkeesian admitted she was not only not a fan of video games, but that she had very little knowledge of games to begin with when she undertook the project. [Video]
I could say there’s sexism towards men in movies, so I’ll watch a series of summer blockbusters and war movies to prove it. This guy died? Sexism towards men, he didn’t even have a name, he died for the sole purpose of adding tension and a sense of danger to the scene. That guy died? He died just for the visceral enjoyment of the audience in seeing a violent death on screen! This guy died, that guy died, this guy died, that guy died, this guy died, that girl died, a thousand more guys died! Look at the ratio of men’s death to women’s.
Counter Argument: Violence against women is worse tho, so the movie’s actually misogynist.
Primary Argument: the fact that you make that argument which suggests that one person’s life is more valuable than another’s due to their sex is misandry. Movies promote the hatred of men.
See, I don’t even have to be a fan of the medium or know much about it? I could just look for reasons to hate something and by virtue of looking for it find it aplenty.
And goodness gracious me if that’s what’s happening with her getting a prominent enough death threat to be forced to leave her home for fear of it being true, that contained enough info that scared her with how spot on it was.
Man, harrassment and death threats for simply saying “Hey guys maybe our videogames could be better and less problematic.”
The fact that she’s getting harassed doesn’t make her immune to actual honest and sincere criticism. And if we’re being perfectly honest, there’s speculation that the threat that allegedly made her leave her home was a fake, engineered to garner her more sympathy and attention as interests in her have waned over the past year or so. I mean, she did kinda sky-rocket to prominence when the harassment and threats first started…and now we just kinda occasionally mention her and very few people consistently watch her videos.
This link shows why it’s theorized that the screenshot she posted on her twitter feed of the “harassment” was engineered by herself or someone collaborating with her as a publicity stunt. [Link]
There’s a whole shitton of problematic areas in all kinds of mediums, it speaks to gamers just hating criticism in itself.
Except people did the same shit with music and the PMRC in the 80s. So I guess music listeners are terrible people too. Do you enjoy music? Misogynist.
I’m pretty sure there was some controversy over the MPAA at one point or another in the past 90 years it’s been around. Anyone who watches movies is scum. Judging the lot by the handful of bad eggs who get off on anonymous harassment is super naive. And using that harassment as a sympathy shield to dodge valid criticism is just scummy.
Which of course can be seen in just videogame reviewers comment sections. “You hated this game? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, it was amaaazing. You didn’t play it right! You didn’t play the predecessor so you don’t know what good is! WHY WASN’T THIS GAME IN YOUR TOP TEN, YOU’RE WRONG AND YOU SHOULD FEEL WRONG.”
Once again, internet commenters do that on movies and music as well. I clearly recall watching a Motley Crue video and seeing the top comment saying “FUCK JUSTIN BIEBER! This is real music!” and a series of replies arguing with him…then finding out that was done by several people on numerous 80s rock videos.
I will reaffirm here I still haven’t watched her show, I’m just taking your argument on its base value.
I think in this instance, since both sides are highly subjective on the issue, it would serve your argument tremendously if you put off any further replies until you’ve watched at least one of her videos, as well as one of Thunderf00t’s debunking videos. [Link]
Just, you know, so you’ll have both sides of the story ‘cos it’s easy to get sucked into an argument you’re emotionally inclined to agree with.
We’re getting better at writing things that are progressive and not problematic. There’s more cartoons and comics being written that are really sweet in how progressive they are. Would be nice if we could improve our games along the way too.
Okay but a lot of the shit she suggests is misogyny actually isn’t. For example, “You’re able to kill these women in Hitman: Absolution and encouraged to drag their bodies around like playthings.”
- You literally lose points and get a lower payout if you kill them.
- They’re literally the only females in the game that you’re able to kill.
- You can kill and drag around all the men in the game, which vastly outnumber those 2 females on that single level.
- You can also steal the mens’ clothes and drag them around in nothing but their underpants.
- Her suggestion that it promotes violence vs women in a game where violence vs men is the norm suggests that women’s lives are to be valued at a higher rate than men’s. Isn’t this a patriarchal concept which led to women being denied entry into military service and other attitudes towards women as being lesser and weak?
And that’s just her analysis of one game, she has, what, 4 videos out? There are so many more biased instances of her drawing shit out of context to cherry pick and insert “misogyny” where there is none.
Do you even play games? There are tons of women who play video games, and the problem is rarely actually the content, but the community. And even then I’ve had numerous female friends who play numerous games and have had little to no negative experiences in the community (at least no moreso than her male friends getting called slurs on XBox Live for playing poorly or killing someone too often).
So people have bad reactions to her arguments because of a base human urge to defend something you like against someone trashing it. This includes girl gamers, who also are sick and tired of Anita giving them a bad name as women in gaming.
Oh wait, I forgot, gamers just like playing the same shit and having the medium never move forward. How about that CoD 17, Destiny *cough totally not just Halo 5 cough* and GTA 5 guys, was it fun playing the same shit, different day? “YES” say the masses.
So your argument is basically “gamers play the same shit because the same genres maintain their popularity.” Okay and Lady Gaga is just a Madonna clone, music fans listen to the same shit every day. Arianna Grande is just a Mariah Carey wannabe, same shit different day. Destiny is Halo 5 what, because it’s a futuristic FPS made by Bungie? Ookayyy. GTA 5 is a game where you can steal cars and shoot basically anyone just like all the GTAs before it, so I guess it’s exactly the same, there’s no room for nuance or anything. What are plots in video games? Why would you play video games for the story? Hurr durr this Michael Bay movie had explosions, it’s basically Transformers!
Are you serious right now? Not to mention there’s an infinite list of games that aren’t the mainstream blockbuster, so it’s intellectually dishonest to even look for variety in the mainstream. I mean it’s not like Elder Scrolls games exist, or Final Fantasy, of Fable, or Left 4 Dead 2, or Borderlands 2, or the Total War or Civilization franchises, or Street Fighter, or sports games, or Mirror’s Edge, or Bayonetta 2, or the Binding of Isaac, or Remember Me, or Assassin’s Creed…
Nah, just stereotype an entire demographic of gamers based on what sells best due to a large market of casual young adult players. That’s not ignorant at all.
Man I don’t even know why I’m arguing with this so much. Yes I’m seeing problems in the way some people think about this, but goddamn if it isn’t going to get any damn where since both sides of this issue are stubborn as hell in their stances. I’ve seen game devs I love from Tim Schaefer to the guys behind Night in the Woods talking about how Anita’s arguments hold a certain weight and that they’re pretty sound.
Like I said, if you look hard enough for something you’ll find it. Being within or without the industry has no bearing on where you’ll find sexism, or how you’ll interpret another’s game. The problem arises when someone’s not willing to be objective enough to look into other possibilities than sexism, rather than jumping to that automatically as the default explanation.
Oy. I need to get around to watching Anita’s stuff and seeing if her arguments are worth supporting if I’m going to keep on dragging myself into this mess.
Yeah you definitely should. And watch this as well. [Why people don’t like Anita Sarkeesian]